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Mr. Kennedy will meet with leading critics of prevailing health policy including Dr. Joe Mercola, Dr. Sherri Tenpenny, Dr. Pierre Kory, Dr. Patrick Gentempo, Maureen McDonnell, Del Bigtree, Sayer Ji, Mikki Willis and others. Anticipate a lively give-and-take involving topics rarely addressed in mainstream policy conversations.
Mary Holland
Welcome. Thank you so much for coming. We are so glad you're here. I'm Mary Holland. Welcome. Thank you so much for coming. We are so glad that you're here. I'm Mary Holland. I'm working with the Kennedy campaign, and I have a special relationship to the health freedom community as I'm on leave from Children's Health Defense, where I served as President and general counsel. I'm here on the campaign in large part because of Mr. Kennedy's strong stance to protect freedom, including health freedom, and to protect fundamental human rights. Many of you watching tonight are key supporters of the health freedom movement, and you're familiar with a lot of the things Mr. Kennedy has been talking about over the years, about agency capture, corporate greed, corruption, pharmaceutical and medical harm, and abuse of government power, especially during COVID Some of you have read his bestselling book, the Real Anthony Fauci, and some have watched his podcasts. Many of you have seen or met Mr. Kennedy at rallies across the country, at state capitals, and through the health freedom organizations he supported. And most of you agree that the US Healthcare system needs deep reform, which is our subject tonight. And even if you're brand new and you're just tuning in for the first time, you're completely welcome. Thank you for coming. I am thrilled that we have such a distinguished panel of leaders here tonight to ask tough questions and to engage with Mr. Kennedy on these central concerns for America's future. You here are critical to this campaign. We deeply value the support that you've shown so far, and we seek your support going forward. And that support can take many different forms. We need financial support, but we also need volunteers, and we need people to wear the T shirts and put up the signs. There are so many different ways that you can help. But it would not be possible for Mr. Kennedy to have the kind of extraordinary polling data that he has right now without your support. And we are so grateful. But I know that many of you do have serious questions and concerns, and so that's why we're here tonight. Just a couple words about the program. Charles Eisenstein, who's been working closely with Mr. Kennedy on policy and messaging, will be our moderator. Each of our distinguished panelists will have the opportunity to ask one question and to delve into it with Mr. Kennedy. Then we'll move on to the next panelist. With any luck, we'll have a second round of questions, and throughout the evening, some of the panelists will talk to you about why they're supporting Mr. Kennedy and why they're inviting you to do so as well. And before we conclude, Del Bigtree will be on to speak to you about your important role. So without further ado, over to Charles Eisenstein.
Charles Eisenstein
Okay, seems like we had a little technical glitch there. Hopefully everybody can hear me. I'm Charles Eisenstein. Very honored to be among you all on this panel. You know, what distinguishes the people who I will introduce shortly on this panel on this roundtable is courage. This is not merely a abstract ideal of health freedom for any of us here. It's something that all of us have risked our careers for. And it's also not abstract in the sense that it's of being disconnected from actual health expertise and ideas based on long experience about health policy. Many of the people participating tonight are experts in their fields, some from a very conventional background who are recent defectors into the more alternative spaces and others who have built careers years in alternative and holistic and complementary medicine. But what unifies us all is a certain independence of thought and also a practicality that we're actually seeking to do something about it at a time when the information landscape has become so fragmented that it's hard to tell who to trust and what to believe when the traditional authorities have lost the trust of the public. And what do you do then? So I hope that everybody listening will tune in both to the content of what is said, but also to the tone of the inquiry and to trust your instincts on who is sincere and who is truthful and run it by your reason and logic. So that said, I will just introduce who will be with us tonight. We have Maureen McDonnell, a holistic pediatric nurse and a longtime 40 year mentor to the health freedom movement, founded millions against medical mandates in 2019 during COVID or at the beginning of COVID really. And it's been a leading truth teller for a long time. We have Dr. Pierre Kory, physician, teacher, author, scientist, founder of the Frontline Covid Critical Care alliance, famous for testifying before Congress on Ivermectin and also deep clinical practice in that Dr. Patrick Gentempo, chiropractor, author, philosopher, filmmaker, entrepreneur and longtime researcher in the area of health policy. Dr. Joe Mercola, an osteopathic physician, bestselling author, founder of Mercola.com and a philanthropist. And this is many of us are familiar with his newsletter. It's the number one natural health newsletter. We have Dr. Sherry Tenpenny, another osteopathic medical doctor, board certified in emergency medicine and well known author, podcaster, an activist and a leading voice against the Draconian Covid mandates, we have Sayer G. A writer, researcher, teacher and author. Really happy to have you here. Sayer, founder of Green Med Info, which is just this incredible encyclopedia compendium of evidence based natural medicine. He also co founded stand for Health Freedom which is dedicated to protecting fundamental human rights. And many of you are here because of him. And then finally Mikki Willis, who is an internationally known filmmaker, author and activist, famous especially for the Plandemic films which had quite an impact and really kind of predicted the gain of function information that came out later and his recent film the Great Awakening. So with that I will turn it over. Let's see. Do we have Bobby on yet? I'm not hearing anybody, strangely enough.
Patrick Gentempo
Hey, Charles. I am muted just to make sure you can hear me. Can you hear me okay?
Charles Eisenstein
Yeah, I can hear you now. Yes.
RFK Jr.
Okay.
Patrick Gentempo
Yeah, I think, yeah, Bobby should be showing up any moment here and so.
Charles Eisenstein
Okay, yeah, so maybe while we're waiting for him, do any of you have any comment on just the little intro that I gave?
Patrick Gentempo
I'll just jump in for a moment. Just say an honor it is to be here and how exciting it is. I've been a healthcare activist for many, many years and I can honestly say in my lifetime, I never thought I'd see a candidate, especially a serious presidential candidate that would step up and take the stands that Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Has. And I really believe that this particular conversation tonight with such a large crowd of people can be an inflection point, not just in politics, but just in America in general. So I'm really excited to be here.
Charles Eisenstein
Yeah. And you know, I mean, yeah, speaking for myself, you know, I pretty much put a successful career on pause because I was like, we are never going to have a candidate again who represents the values that I care so deeply about. You know, and if I'm not willing to put something on the line right now, then what am I waiting for? You know, am I waiting for somebody else to come and fix it? And I know that a lot of people here, you know, on this panel, and I'm sure a lot of people listening, have also had that moment of choice where you're no longer satisfied with simply having the right opinion and feeling indignant and outraged and getting more and more hits of outrage the more you read the Internet. But that moment comes where you're like, okay, I want to do something about it. And that's really why we're gathered here so many, there's tens of thousands now listening to this call and all of you will have that moment of is this the time to actually take some action? You know, so. Yeah, yeah, thanks for that comment, Patrick. And let's see, do we have Bobby on yet?
Maureen McDonnell
Well, I'd just like to say these are very exciting times that in Bobby's uncle and father said, to bring more peace to the world, we need more compassion, more love, and more wisdom. And I think as we talk tonight about this healthcare paradigm shift, those elements are really essential not only in our politics and in our relationships and in our educational program and, but in the healthcare system. To have compassion, to have love and to have wisdom is. Are really important elements.
Charles Eisenstein
Yeah, and that's really what this is about. You know, we have been, many of us have been alternative, quote, unquote, for a very long time. This is the moment where alternative might become no longer alternative. This is the moment where the collapsing center, the disintegrating center, the dysfunctional health system, finally opens up. And now what had so long been alternative might become a new mainstream that could transform the health of this country. I mean, that's really, this is the spear point, the tip of that possibility that we're engaged in.
Pierre Kory
Charles, you know, I like that point. You know, in your introduction, you mentioned that some of us are, you know, defectors, you know, from that traditional system. And I think you were talking about me, but.
Charles Eisenstein
Yeah, I'm talking about you, Pierre.
Pierre Kory
But, you know, I'm honored to join all of my newfound colleagues and friends on this panel. And, you know, to your point, you know, about that collapsing center, you know, as that defector, you know, I was trained medical school curriculum, worked in the system at the tops of academic medical centers. And, you know, it's been transformative what's been revealed to me about that system in Covid and everything I learned. And then equally transformative is I'm learning a new medicine. You know, we use that term alternative, but it's still medicine and it works. It's not recognized, you know, it's dismissed and derided, but it's a really broad expanse of therapies and approaches to understanding disease and treating. And I find it one of the most stimulating and inspiring times in my life, in my career, in my life.
Charles Eisenstein
Yeah. Wow, that's incredible. Yeah. Yeah. Well, welcome, you know, welcome to the real world.
Del Bigtree
Thanks, Charles. Good to be here.
Charles Eisenstein
And it looks like Bobby's joined us here, so, yeah, we've had a nice little chat, Bobby, we've been waiting for you to come on. And so, yeah, thanks for coming to, you know, spend an hour with us. I know you've had a really intense day, so we'll give you some really tough questions just to keep you sharp. Let's start with. That was supposed to be a joke, by the way. Let's start with Maureen McDonnell. Maureen, thank you.
Maureen McDonnell
00:09:12
Yeah, sure. Hi, Bobby. Thank you so much for this opportunity. I've been a pediatric nurse for over 40 years, and I've watched the slow and methodical takeover of our healthcare system by the pharmaceutical industry to the point where for every ailment there's a drug and for every infection, there's a vaccine or one in the pipeline. And my question is, what is your plan to help turn our health care system into one that takes into account and effectively addresses root causes of illnesses, underlying issues of these chronic conditions that are plaguing our nation? Just throwing a few out. ADHD, autism, type 2 diabetes, chronic fatigue. How are we going to shift this paradigm so physicians and practitioners really address the underlying issues that are causing these problems instead of just naming it, diagnosing it and giving a drug for it?
RFK Jr.
Yeah, that. Thank you very much, Maureen, for that. And that's one of the, you know, one of this is one of the issues that really makes me excited to be able to, you know, the prospect of being President of the United States and my capacity to actually get something done on that issue is one of the things that really attracted me to make this run. I think I know how to fix the problem. And a lot of the problem can be fixed from the Oval Office without the cooperation of Congress. And so it can be done pretty quickly. The regulatory process usually takes about seven years, but you can change policy and guidelines overnight. And, you know, what I will do in a broad way is with nia, I need to end the financial conflicts. And to the extent I can do that with executive orders, I will. As everybody on this phone call knows, FDA gets almost 50% of its budget from pharmaceutical companies. And that and other conflicts really have put them Mercantile ambitions of the pharmaceutical industry have allowed that to overwhelm.
Maureen McDonnell
Bobby's frozen.
Charles Eisenstein
Yeah, sorry about the technical glitch here. And is Bobby, are you still doing. Did you finish or if so, Maureen, do you want to comment on what he said or follow up?
Maureen McDonnell
Well, that's exciting and positive news to hear because the healthcare system has been dominated by this industry. When health is so much more than just naming an illness and, you know, then prescribing a drug. There's so much more to it. And we have so many smart physicians and practitioners in the world who know how to dig deep and find the clues as to what's contributing to the illness. So it's really wonderful to hear that we'd have a president who would look at the underlying issues of chronic illness and address them at their core.
RFK Jr.
Yeah, I mean, just to finish what I'm saying, there are systemic conflicts within all three of those agencies that are economic entanglements that are pose these huge conflicts of interest. There's a number of other problems. One is the advertising on pharmaceutical drugs on tv, which I can change with an executive order as well. At least I can direct NIH or I can direct FDA and the FCC and that practice to institute regulatory process to end that practice. And I'm going to see if I can do more. I've actually been talking with Aaron Siri about it. If I can act very, very quickly. And the pharmaceutical advertising on television. I'm also going to intervene directly with the journals. I'm going to call the journals into the Department of Justice and tell them that we believe that they're involved in racketeering with the pharmaceutical industry to systematically lie to the public through their retractions, through their financial entanglements, which encourage them to publish false information to promote the pharmaceutical products. But one thing I can directly do that I'm most excited about is I can terminate a lot of the grants to infectious disease and virologists, and I can redirect those grants and just order FDA to stop writing those kind of grants and to instead start writing grants to study chronic disease. I'm going to pressure the journals to publish great, you know, publish the results of these studies. We're going to start funneling studies to a different group of scientists, to people who actually want to see where the chronic disease is going to come from. I'm going to open up the vaccine safety data link, which is now in a lockbox. It's like locked up like Fort Knox. And I'm going to open it up so every scientist can get in there and look at the data. That data you can do cluster analyses on, because that is the vaccination records, the health records of tens of millions or at least 10 million Americans. It's all the data from the top 10 HMOs. Those HMOs have every vaccination record for every patient, plus they have every medical claim. You can do a cluster analysis of that. What I would like to do is do a real medical informatics system where you digitalize all that data and you can do these peer reviewed studies literally in seconds you can say, show me the association between children who got the hepatitis B vaccine within their first 30 days and diabetes and ASD and autism and subsequent purchases of EpiPens and insulin syringes. And you can correlate all of that stuff and really look at and really find very, very good data almost instantaneously. And that's one of the things I'll do. And there are systems now that allow you to do those studies that used to take months and months, but to do them literally in minutes. And so I'm very excited about having a real medical informatic system, not just to look at vaccines, but to look at every medicine. If you've got two competitive diabetes medicine, why don't we know which one is most effective? Why don't we know which one is most likely to result in heart attacks or whatever. We'll be able to compare every medical intervention in the country instantaneously and compare it to all the alternatives and do these studies, hundreds and hundreds of these studies in a day and then notify the insurance companies. Look, this is a medicine that actually works and this is a medicine that is going to cost you money over the long term. There's millions and millions of just really cool things that we're going to be able to do, including blackballing the scientists who worked on ACIP and approved a lot of these interventions that should not have been brought on without using evidence based medicine. If you're sitting on those committees on VRBPAC and ACIP and you're allowing medications through the gate, you have a responsibility. You have a responsibility to protect American health. If you are not living up to that responsibility, you should be forbidden from serving on any federal medical commission ever again. Lifetime ban. And you should be at least penalized for a long period of time against, I'm saying at least eight years from receiving any federal grant for any purpose. Those are some of the things that I'm thinking about. I'm sure that you guys have other ideas and I'm anxious to hear all of them, but that's the way that I'm thinking about this.
Maureen McDonnell
Thank you so much. Thank you. I think Dr. Kory is next.
Patrick Gentempo
Charles might be frozen yet. Dr. Kory, can you unmute before you ask your question, please?
Pierre Kory
00:29:17
Sorry, it's my first time on Zoom. So, Bobby, my question is, would you support funding NIH—This is extra funds for NIH—to expand its oversight and data collection capacity to ensure that commercial and political bias stays out of future funding decisions, particularly research.
RFK Jr.
Well, I don't think... I mean, that would require me here to go back to Congress for the appropriation. I don't think I need to do that.
I think I can make those changes at NIH without doing that. And, you know, the priority of research, as I just said, is no longer going to be developing drugs. I mean, basically what NIH has done is it stopped studying the etiology of chronic disease or anything to do with American health, and it's made itself an incubator for new pharmaceutical products from which it collects royalties. And I'm going to end that to the extent that I can. I'm going to end the practice of paying scientists who work at NIH royalties on products that they worked on. That's just wrong. The regulators should not be making money on products that they worked on at taxpayer expense. But mainly, I don't think NIH should be in the business of incubating drugs for the pharmaceutical industry unless there's some compelling reason that pharma is not going to develop that drug on its own. So I would rather just…. And by the way, I do not believe that infectious disease is an enormous threat to human health. We had a huge death rate from COVID in this country, but almost everybody who died had chronic disease. In fact, they had an average—according to CDC—of 3.8 chronic diseases. The real threat to American health is not coming from infections, it's coming from chronic disease. And that is what we should target for all of our research.
And we need... I will end all gain of function research. I will sign a treaty to end gain of function research to get all the nations to end gain of function research. It's just a disaster. It's given us no benefits. It's given us everything from Lyme disease to Covid and many, many other diseases that RSV—which is now one of the biggest killers of children—came out of, you know, a vaccine lab, you know, so…. And we can go down the whole list of diseases that, you know, down to… And there's good evidence that even Spanish flu came from vaccine and vaccine research. And, you know, we don't know and we'll probably never know, but there are very, very strong articles suggesting that now. The medical research on these diseases and vaccine research has actually created some of the worst plagues in our history. Anybody who reads The River will come away pretty much convinced that HIV also came from a vaccine program. And there's plenty of evidence of that as well. I'm not saying it did because we can't say, but I'm saying there's strong evidence that it did. And there's very, very little evidence that gain of function has given us even marginal benefits. And it's given us horrible, horrible catastrophes. And the risks simply aren’t worth it.
I will end it. I will try to end it globally. I'll try to sign a treaty of the time to basically reinstate the Geneva Convention and the Biological Weapons Charter that we signed in 1973 and make it verifiable and get other nations to agree on it. We shouldn't be doing this kind of research. And infectious disease research has been, again, has given us marginal benefits.
You know, if we had—and particularly the vaccine research—if we had focused on therapeutic drugs from the beginning and off the shelf drugs, we would have done a lot better. And in fact, you know, Ralph Baric wrote an essay back in 2008 saying that zoonotic jumps from the wild to human beings pose very, very little risk, a negligible risk to humanity in the future because we have so many therapeutic drugs that can cure those diseases. And that's why he said we need to start… and that we’ll never be able to develop a really good bioweapon just by finding an infectious disease in the wild. We're going to need to tamper with it, because anything you find in a wild, we're going to be able to cure. And he wrote this extraordinary article. I think it's in 2008. It's in my new book on the Wuhan lab.
But, you know, he himself, here's the guy who's the head, you know, the deity of gain of function, who's saying that zoonotic jumps are not a threat to humanity. We haven't had a viral zoonotic jump that we know of, you know, in any time at least a century.
We now know, for example, that the Spanish flu, and even Tony Fauci, you know, in another 2008 article, Anthony Fauci confessed in that article that the Spanish flu did not kill anybody. It was bacteriological pneumonia and killed people during the Spanish flu. And this is his article and that could have been cured with antibiotics today. So, you know, there's very little evidence that jumps of viruses from the wild are a threat to human. We do know what is threat to human. All autism is, that 1 in 34 kids have it. We know that food allergies are a threat. We know that rheumatoid arthritis, all those autoimmune diseases are a threat. Let's find out where they're coming from and actually make healthier kids. And let's stop the chronic disease epidemic.
Phil Landrigan, who's one of the most important….
Charles Eisenstein
Bobby, Bobby, can I just break in a second? Because I hate to break in, but we do have five other people, so.
RFK Jr.
Yeah ok. Yeah, go ahead.
Charles Eisenstein
Yeah, yeah. So I'm gonna invite now Patrick Gentempo to ask his question.
Patrick Gentempo
Thank you, Charles. Bob, there's a meta issue to all this healthcare issues that we're discussing. And, you know, it startled me what happened during COVID where there's this loss of personal liberties and the sort of tyranny that can take over in the name of healthcare, that can take an experimental procedure, force people to get it, threaten their livelihoods, threaten their ability to move freely, threaten their ability to practice their religion, you know, go to church, what have you. And you know, I never, like, I've been involved as a healthcare activist for a lot of years on a lot of issues, but then I started to see the big picture here, saying it was chilling how this could, all this oppression could happen. The tyranny can take hold, all in the name of medicine and all in the name of science. I think we learned some lessons and we've seen the Constitution basically destroyed in the process. What could you do as president to prevent something like that ever from happening again?
RFK Jr.
We have to change the. And I'm gonna have to go to Congress for this. I mean, I can do a lot of stuff in house. I can make national security orders and I can make executive orders that, you know, that tell people never to do this again. But they're not really, they're not bulletproof. And the next administration can change them, and they can change them overnight. We need to go back to Congress and change the criteria for the declaration of emergencies in this country. And we need to make it clear that the Constitution is inviolable and that even an emergency, the most dire emergency, you can't waive the Constitution and that you have to go through the democratic process. Now that doesn't mean you can't have, you know, short emergencies. But what we saw with this emergency was really extraordinary because there was, you know, the entire democratic process was waived. There was no environmental impact statement. There was no, you know, there was no rule proposed rule public published, and then a notice and comment rulemaking, and then a public hearing and an environmental impact statement, and, you know, the cross examination of witnesses. None of that happened. It was just one guy who's never been elected to anything for 50 years who suddenly says, you know, masks don't work one week and then two weeks later, everybody put them on without any scientific citation or due process. And that's just wrong. And the whole thing was wrong. And it was a catastrophe. And I, you know, I'll just say this. During the American civil war, there were, you know, the confederates were sending agents provocateur into the northern cities to cause draft riots which were demoralizing the union cause. And Lincoln knew who the men were who were coming north and he tried to arrest them and put them in jail. And some of them were giving speeches and inflaming the public. And he would try to remove them from the street. And in order to do that, he had to suspend habeas corpus because, you know, those guys would get a lawyer and get right out of jail and do the same thing that afternoon. So he suspended habeas corpus. And at that time, the life of the union was at stake. There was, you know, 659,000Americans were killed. It's the equivalent of 7.2 million today. In today's population. The country was close to, you know, to literally being torn to pieces. And Roger Taney, the chief justice, supreme court, said, lincoln, you can't do it. You know, it doesn't matter if the nation, if the life of the nation is at stake, you cannot do it. It's the Constitution. It's more important even than the nation or any amount of lives. And we need to go back to that.
Patrick Gentempo
Well, thanks. And I like the historical reference. I have to say, and I said it kind of earlier, that, you know, in my lifetime, I didn't think I'd see a candidate like you actually stand up and say the things that you're willing to say and go against convention to tell the truth. And I want to appreciate all the people who have tuned in tonight to watch this, and I just want to encourage them that there is a link where they are. They can click that link. Kennedy24. Go to Kennedy24.com and contributing is really kind of stepping up. You know, if we have somebody that's willing to take this stand, we have to support it. I've given the maximum support that a person, a personal person can give. I want to recommend that everybody else do that. I wasn't asked to do this, but I really believe it's important that we support this not only with votes, not only with spreading the word, but also with dollars so that we can have this movement take hold and actually make the changes that need to happen. Thank you so much for answering my question.
RFK Jr.
Patrick, and I'm very grateful for you raising that issue. I would remind people that the July 1 reporting period is coming up, and we, as of this morning, we had only $3.2 million, and you know it. We need to be able to show more money at the end of this. Yes. Oh, if you're intending at some point in the future, donate money to the campaign, please do it between now and July 1, because that's when it's going to really count. So thank you.
Patrick Gentempo
Thank you.
Charles Eisenstein
Well, yeah. Thank you, everybody. So now we're moving to. Yeah, I mean, this is the part that... The civil liberties aspect, I mean, that's the part that really activated a lot of us. So I know that I'm not the only one who's happy to hear it, hear all this, all, you know, what you've been saying. I'm going to turn it over now to Joe Mercola. Joe, you want to. Come on, Joe, you'll have to unmute yourself.
Joe Mercola
Probably I was clicking the wrong button. Sorry about that. All right, Patrick, first of all, I really appreciate your comments, and, Bobby, I love you, and I think everyone on this call loves you. And anyone who hasn't lost their critical thinking skills yet and has a rational mind would likely come to the same conclusion if they evaluated your positions. But I want to play the devil's advocate tonight and ask you some hard questions, because it does. All of these wonderful ideas and plans you have just can't happen if you're not elected. So the US Federal government has been hijacked by globalist billionaires, and the Democratic Party under the Biden regime, has been the most authoritarian administration in United States history. They brought censorship to a new level that we see in the communist countries and the banana republics. They froze my personal and business accounts and relentlessly censored us from the head to the toe, especially about the lab league that they funded and they created. And the issue here is that almost every single Democratic administration and state were behind this. All the blue states. Yet a few of the Republican states stood out. Now, I know Republicans aren't the answer to everything, but, you know, there's a massive difference in the way they respond to the Democrats. So the question becomes, why should we support a Democrat after seeing what happened during COVID Especially. Especially in the light of the fact that in 1980, they initiated the super PACs, which means they own. The Democrat National Commission owns 15% of the delegates, which means you've got to get 66% of the vote to win the delegates from that state. So it seems to me an almost insurmountable barrier, and the Democratic Party hasn't been worthy of our support.
RFK Jr.
Joe, I'm not asking you to support the Democratic Party. I'm trying to recall the Democratic Party to its initial values, the values that I grew up in, that my uncle represented, that my father represented, and that I still think are the core values of the Democratic Party. But the Democratic Party has drifted away from those values, as you point out, as has the Republican Party. It was the Trump administration that got it, gave us the lockdown. It was the Trump administration that gave us Operation Warp Speed, forced masking, social distancing, and the Biden administration continued it. But, you know, it was. So it's both administrations. We have a unit party on Capitol Hill. And, you know, I think for me, the best path to victory is through the Democratic Party. Although at this point, you know, people could look at it and say it's insurmountable. But I think we have a pretty good plan for getting there. So I, you know, I'd ask you to have faith and watch what we do, and I think that you'll be pleased. Yeah. And by the way, I will add something, Joe. A lot of people say, well, maybe you should run as an independent. But if you run as an independent, there is no primary process. Oh, nobody pays attention to the independent until the general election, and that is a year from now. And, you know, I right now have 800 press requests. I'm somebody who could not get on the press for 18 years, and now I can't. You know, there's just too many of them. There's 800 that. More than 800 that we're dealing with. And for the first time, I'm able to talk to broad swaths of the public about these issues and to be completely honest about them and, you know, and raise these issues and debate them for the first time. And you're seeing this huge drama being, you know, worked out with Peter Hotels now. I think it's almost up to $3 million. He is the champion of the vaccine cause, and he will not debate me. And, you know, and you have all these people who are neutral, like Bill Ackman, you know, these Wall street guys and David Saxon and Joe Rogan who were not, you know, we're agnostic about this issue, you know, or we're just pro vaccine and believe the whole orthodoxy. And they're now looking at this and saying, wait, A minute. Why won't this guy debate? You know, is it. Why won't he? He's a scientist, and it's very weird to see all these liberal columnists trying to be apologists for him not debating. How is that, you know, how is that even part of liberal ideology? I mean, liberal ideology is. My uncle and father were like, we. Liberal ideology is about ideas triumphing in the furnace of debate, triumphing in the marketplace of ideas. And what they're saying is, no, there's kind of a high priesthood of people who are experts and they should not debate anybody else because, you know, because they're the high priest and they should just be trusted. And, you know, that's their, that is the position they're now in. Now what they can say is, well, I'm a crazy person. And it, you know, and it just gives credence to my crazy ideas. But my crazy ideas already have credence. I'm already on all these places. I'm, you know, I'm now on everywhere, letting me talk about it. So somebody better stop me if I'm really nuts.
Del Bigtree
Yeah.
RFK Jr.
And, you know, if you're, by the way, science is rooted in reason. It's rooted in empiricism. And if you can't defend science on a, on the battlefield of reason, and, you know, you're not really a scientist, because any scientist is expected to defend their hypothesis in debate, in heated, fierce debate. And yet they're saying, because, you know, what am I going to do with them, that I'm going to, like, hypnotize them or sprinkle fairy dust on them and disable their, you know, capacity to respond. I'll debate anybody in the world on any issue that I believe in.
Joe Mercola
So I don't care.
RFK Jr.
I don't care how crazy they are. I'll figure out a way to use logic and reason to subdue them, you know, and what am I going to do? I'm going to cite us. He's going to cite a study and says it stands for this. I'm going to start.
Joe Mercola
So there's other people that have questions, though, and I just want to thank you so much for providing us with the assurance that there's going to be massive benefit from you being involved in this. And I did not know you had 800 press requests. That's great. Your message will be get out. So even if you use lose and are able to get the Democratic nomination.
RFK Jr.
That's not going to happen, Joe.
Joe Mercola
Okay. I sure the hell so. Because you are the Guy we need and there no question. So Charles, monopolize this.
Charles Eisenstein
Yeah. Really enjoying this. Yeah. Let's just move on to Sherry Tenpenny. Sherry, you want to come on.
Sherri Tenpenny
Hi, Bobby, thanks so much for getting in the ring with all of us because I wish this could go on for several hours because I think we all have a long list of questions. But for the sake of time, I just want to double back on top of some of the things that Dr. Mercola just said. You know, we spent this entire last three and a half years under this tyrannical stuff of Fauci and Birx and you know, I don't know why Birx is still walking around. She admitted lying to the president and we're, you know, we have no Department of Justice, which I hope that's one of the things that you will certainly address as a lawyer. But my question for you is based on what we saw and how the country was hijacked by Fauci and Birx during this entire last three years and a few of their other comrades, how are you going to choose your medical advisory team who are, and we, I think we understand clearly what you think about the FDA and where the other three letter agencies like the NIH and the CDC fit in. But how are you going to go about choosing the people you're going to listen to and it's going to be your medical advisory team?
RFK Jr.
Well, I'm going to choose, I'll have a diverse medical advisory team, but I know who you know, I mean I feel like I'm pretty much an expert on figuring out on parsing medical information and figuring it out. The people who are on this call like Pierre and people who aren't on this call like Meryl Nass are people that Meryl has a long, long history and in government and many, many other people who have government experience and public health experience and then just scientific experience. I'm going to have people who are dissidents, I'm going to have people who are moving away from the pharmaceutical paradigm and have idea. I mean I really want to try to move this country away from the pharmaceutical paradigm and move our objectives, center all of our objectives on actually metrics that show better health. Are we reducing chronic disease? Is our medical bills going down, our children healthier? Do we have better infant mortality, do we have better longevity? And based on everything, on empiricism, on evidence based science, let's do the studies and make sure these interventions work and then not be close minded to natural remedies and to integrative medicine and to, you know, chiropractors and Austin.
Sherri Tenpenny
And what about the rest of your board? I mean, how will you pick your, you know, the. All the rest of your board apply science to the Department of Education, to agriculture, to the environment? I mean, how will, I guess I'm asking, how are you going to choose the people that will be around you?
RFK Jr.
Well, I've been litigating against all of those agencies for many, many years. The same as I have, you know, against the NIH, CDC and FDA. So I know the people who I trust with each of those agencies. I have kind of a cadre of people that I, whose judgment I believe is independent, whose judgment who are wise people who are discerning and prudent and you know, and also understand what the problem is, how to unravel. The agency captured those agencies. So I don't feel like I'm going to have a dart of really good advice from, you know, scientific and medical advice from really good people.
Sherri Tenpenny
Awesome. Thank you.
Charles Eisenstein
Great. Okay, so moving right along, we now have Sergey.
RFK Jr.
Yeah.
Pierre Kory
Hi, Bobby. Thanks for having this event. As you know, I represent increasingly vocal, albeit previously silent majority of Americans who really want to have evidence based medicine, informed choice, parental rights, be at the center of what it means to be American. And you are deeply loved, respected and actually feared because you speak truth to power, especially with your encyclopedic mind. So really what I want to ask you has to do with a number of Americans are really wanting to know how we stand on the WHO's pandemic treaty and the changes to the current international health regulations that might threaten our sovereignty. I would love it if you could describe America's current role in the global health stage and should that role change and if so, how?
RFK Jr.
Well, under my presidency, we're not going to be submitting to any WHO treaty and I'm going to be really reevaluating the US relationship with WHO on a lot of bases. I think the WHO has gotten away from what it did really well, which was nutrition, hygiene, economic, local economic development, local medicine, local clinics, things that were really are helping and local, you know, locally based strategies that were rooted in local culture and advice, local advice about what people need locally. And I think that they've instead, you know, been hijacked by big corporations who want to promote their technologies and, you know, and provoke one technology for, you know, one cookie cutter technology for every problem. So, you know, the Green Revolution, which is a WHO project with the Gates and Rockefeller foundation, has been an absolute cataclysm for people across Africa, absolutely destructive. And I want to end that. I want to help people develop their own solutions rather than having US corporations impose technological solutions for problems that they've been solving themselves for thousands of years and help them do what they want to do. And the same with medicine. I don't think good health comes in a syringe. I think good health comes from. We know what it comes from. It comes from engineering solutions, from good water, good nutrition, good healthy foods. And that's what stops the mortalities from infectious disease, the reliance, the switching of priorities away from those traditional hygiene, nutrition, economic development and clinics and local healthcare has really, I think, destroyed any kind of advocacy or legitimacy to the who and we need a complete reboot of that agency.
Pierre Kory
Thank you, Bobby. You have restored our confidence and enthusiasm in the political process. And I do really encourage those who follow our work as stand for health freedom as well as Green Med info to really follow closely your campaign and if feel compelled, support it like I have. So thank you so much, Bobby.
Charles Eisenstein
Yeah, thank you, Sarah. So we have one more person who hasn't on the call who has not asked a question yet, and that would be Mikki Willis.
Mikki Willis
Bobby, how are you, my friend? Can you hear me?
Charles Eisenstein
Yeah, we can hear you. Yeah, go ahead.
Mikki Willis
Thank you so much. So, Bobby, I am, as you probably heard through our mutual friends, I've been very conflicted by your campaign. I really appreciate that Dr. McCollough brought up the big blue elephant in the room. And as a former progressive Democrat myself, I do have some issues with your campaign only because I know who you are and I've been with you behind the scenes. And I will say to the American people right now that you are one of the most integral, caring, compassionate, brave and brilliant men I've ever met in my life. That is without a doubt. I think the idea that a independent party run right now is unviable for you, I think is somewhat of an old opinion. I think if there ever was a time that an independent run could happen, right now, if you teamed up with someone amazing like a Tulsi Gabbard or something like that, who has already gone independent, it's something to consider because I have a real issue, particularly with what we've been through in the past three years, to vote for the party that I walked away from for good reason. And I know a lot of people are with me on that. So I just wanted to say that out loud. But here's my question. As a veteran environmental activist, I am now aware that the climate change narrative has been grossly exaggerated by power hungry politicians. Do you agree with that? And if so, what will you, how will you retell the story that so many people, particularly young people, are currently being terrorized by?
RFK Jr.
Well, I believe that the climate is an existential threat and I believe that carbon contributes to climate change. It's not important to me whether you believe it or not. And I for, you know, for 40 years and by the way, I don't believe that because of any, you know, I'll tell you why I believe that one is I've watched the climate change and I've watched cataclysmic climate change. I go to the Arctic a lot. I've been all over the world. I've watched the sea level rising. I've watched, you know, I've been an outdoorsman my whole life and I've watched, I've kept track of the seasons on the day from, in a journal since I was a kid and I've watched them change. I've watched the ranges of animals change dramatically from what I saw as a kid. So it's clear to me the climate is changing. The question is, is carbon doing it? And I don't think that the capacity for carbon, the trap heat is controversial. It's been known for 100 years, nobody's denied it. The last part of that controversy is human based climate change. Is it how much of climate change is because of carbon? And that I have no capacity to evaluate because I'm not with vaccine science. I know that science and with water protection and many, many kind of toxics because I've litigated them, because I've written about them. I know the science backwards, forwards. The climate science is so complex and requires so many disciplines and I don't understand the mathematical modeling or the physics or the chemistry well enough to make any independent assessment. I do know that I've seen the evaluation by the world's leading climate scientists who were working for the Exxon corporation in the 1970s. Exxon blood bragged the world that it had the best. The scientists who were best able, who knew more about the fate of the carbon molecule than anybody on earth. And I've read their memos to the board of directors and there's the CEO of Exxon saying to him, if we keep doing what we're doing, we're going to heat up the globe and we're going to cause calamity in the globe and we're going to melt the Arctic, which will be a good thing because there's a lot of oil under the Arctic and we will be able to get at it. So, you know, I don't have any independent assessment, but these are guys who boasted of being the best in the world and they said and they predicted. Now I've known that for 40 years and felt that, but I've never spent a lot of time talking about climate because about climate change as a catastrophe, because all of the things that we need to do to, to in order to roll back climate change are things we ought to be doing anyway for even better reasons. I mean, we need to get off coal.
Mikki Willis
I understand that. If I may. Forgive me, I want to interject because what I'm most concerned about, beyond getting into a debate regarding the specifics about climate change, it's the way that the politicians have exaggerated the narrative such that we now have a generation of young people vowing never to have children because they think our world is going to end in whatever it is today. Whatever the Doomsday clock states today. We have eight years left. I want to know that if you're in a position of great power and leadership with a man who has been fought for environment for so long, and I agree with that. For in my personal opinion, I think the misinformation of the climate narrative has taken our eye off the ball and stopping us from correcting pollution and things that we actually have the funding for and the technology for today. But beyond that, it's the doom narrative that is terrorizing so many Americans, particularly young people. And I would love to know, are you going to carry on with that narrative or what will you do to put our next generations at ease such that they won't pass up one of the greatest gifts ever, which is creating a family.
RFK Jr.
Yeah, I agree with a lot of what you're saying, Mikki. I think that the climate narrative has been hijacked by the World Economic Forum and by Bill Gates and it's like every crisis, like Naomi Klein said, crises are used by elites within societies to consolidate their power, to diminish democracy, to constrict civil rights and human rights, and to oppose top down totalitarian controls. And I think climate crisis right now is being used in that way by those people. And yeah, yeah, yeah. So I, you know, I agree with that. And the, my approach to climate has always been a free market approach. For 40 years I've said that we should use marketplace rules rather than top down controls. We should reward the cheapest, most efficient energy sources and Those are going to be renewable sources, generally speaking, depending on where you are in the world. But generally speaking there, you know, to build a coal burning power plant today costs $3.6 billion per gigawatt. To build a solar plant is a billion dollars a gigawatt. And then you have free energy forever. So if we have a grid, if we have market based rules, we will, you know, carbon will disappear anyway. And I, what I focused on during my career is not scaring people with carbon but by talking about what's really happening. And you know, let me just return to coal and you can say the same thing for oil, but I've spent a lot of time in West Virginia and we have now cut down an area. The five, the 500 biggest mountains in West Virginia are gone. They're gone. We flattened an area larger than the state of Delaware, 1.4 million acres. We explode Hiroshima bomb the equivalent ammonia nitrate explosives, Hiroshima every week. And in Appalachia, in eastern Kentucky and West Virginia and we filled 2,200 miles of rivers with rubble. And that's one of the costs of coal. The other cost is that we have mercury contamination in every fresh water fish in America and most of the big saltwater fish, that's coal. We have acid rain that has destroyed one fifth of lakes in the Appalachians are now sterilized. Forest cover has disappeared on the high peaks from Georgia to northern Quebec. The ozone particulates from coal burning power plants cause a half a billion dollars in healthcare costs every year. And the, and we're acidified in the ocean. So you don't need to care about global warming to know that we need to get off a coal and there's alternatives to it. And that's what I've always talked about. And you know, like I say, I believe climate crisis real. I don't insist that you believe it and I understand other people do not for very, very good reasons.
Mikki Willis
Forgive my interruption once again. On that note. In 2014, you made a statement about global warming. Warming skeptics suggesting that they should be punished by law. You still feel that way?
RFK Jr.
I never made that. I never made that statement. The statement that's been published by me that's on the Internet was a statement when I was asked whether I thought the Koch brothers should be in jail. And I said yeah, they should. There's, they've broken more laws than the, at that time, I think they're the number three air polluter in the world. But they were operating east Petco dumps in Chicago and Detroit that were poisoning Tens of thousands of people, and they were doing it illegally to make money. And if you go back and look at the entire clip, I was saying, listen, if a Black kid steals $10, he'll go to jail. These guys consume $100 million and not go to jail. They ought to be in jail. That's what I was saying. It's been put on the Internet.
Charles Eisenstein
Got it.
RFK Jr.
That's.
Mikki Willis
That's great to know. Thank you for clearing that up.
RFK Jr.
Let me say something else because I did say something else. I made another statement about the corporate death penalty being applied to certain corporations and the corporate death penalty under the unique united. So I want to explain that under US Law, under the laws of the states which regulate corporations, corporations only exist if they serve the public interest. And if they don't serve the public interest, their corporate charters can be withdrawn and should be withdrawn. And it's called the corporate death penalty. In New York State, the tobacco companies funded an institute called the Tobacco Institute. They knew for 60 years that their product was killing one out of every four of their customers who use the product as directed. But they hired a bunch of phony scientists we call by ostitutes. They created a whole body of science to create doubt about their product. And then they created an institution called the Tobacco Institute. The function of that institute was to lie to the public about the tobacco. And in the 1980s, the Republican attorney General of New York, actually in the mid-1990s, gave the tobacco Institute the corporate death penalty. And he said, your function is actually to lie and defraud the public. So, you know, at that point, there were also institutes that were funded by the oil and coal industry to lie to the public about various impacts of oil and coal. And I said those companies should. Those institutes should. Those think tanks should also be given the corporate death penalty.
Mikki Willis
Got it. Thank you. Thank you so much.
Charles Eisenstein
Thanks, Mikki. Yeah, we could have a whole webinar on this topic as well. But I do want to return it back to Health and Health Freedom. And maybe we have time now for maybe we'll invite back one of the ladies. See, let's invite Maureen or Sherry. Do either of you feel a move to say one more thing?
RFK Jr.
Let me say one other thing just to add to that. I bet a lot of you could think of institutes that are associated with promoting vaccines, right, that know they are lying. You might think, well, maybe it would be a good thing to apply the corporate death penalty to that particular institution. So I'm just saying that it's a, you know, it's Not a free speech issue, it's a fraud issue. You know, I believe in free speech, but I don't think people ought to be able to defraud the public. And if you're a corporation and your whole purpose is to define defraud the public, you should not exist. And that's not a free speech issue.
Sherri Tenpenny
Okay, well, I don't mean to step over top of Maureen, you can hop in on top of me here. But based on, you know, Mikki asking questions of things that you've said in the past, I'm going to bring up the fact that in the past you've said you've given mixed messages about your position on vaccines. I mean, at the beginning, I remember when you were on Bill Maher, you said, I'm not anti vaccine, absolutely not. All my kids have been vaccinated. Then on Joe Rogan, you said five out of seven of your kids have allergies. And maybe that had something to do with some of the ingredients in vaccines. Now you talk about the vaccines. What you really want is safer vaccines. But given all the ingredients that we all know and many of our followers know, it's really not possible to create a safer vaccine. So do you really think that we should be advocating for mandates? Even school leveled mandates? And if they're not safe, they don't keep you from getting sick, they don't stop transmission. Like the COVID shot didn't stop transmission did. Should we be advocating for this for school? And what about when you are in presidency and this whole issue of mandatory vaccines and mandatory masks comes circulating around again? What are you going to do to talk about that? Are you going to be able to say there's no such thing as a safe vaccine, we're not going to mandate any of this?
RFK Jr.
I wouldn't say there's no such thing as a safe vaccine because I don't know that. I've never seen the kind of safety studies done that should be done. So I'm not against vaccines any more than I'm against medicine. If you show me a vaccine that works, I mean that the people who take it 10 years from now are safer and healthier and more alive in every respect, and the people who do not, then I would take that vaccine myself and I would urge other people to take it as well, but I would never mandate it. I'm against vaccine mandates or any kind of medical mandates. I'm against mask mandates. I don't believe the masks work. I mean, the studies that I've shown have not shown that the masks have any substantial or significant efficacy at all. And they may actually, they're highly likely, likely, probably more likely to hurt you than they are to help you. So I think mandating those is, you know, is something I would not allow as president. I would not, I would be completely against vaccine mandates as president, but I'm not going to say categorically and I'm against all vaccines. And do I believe my kids are vaccine injured? Yeah, I do.
Sherri Tenpenny
Very good. Thank you.
Maureen McDonnell
Well, my question, if I may, is a little bit esoteric, but many years ago, pre Covid, I started an organization to help build collaboration in the health freedom movement. I started it with Dr. Sherry Kempany and some others in our movement. And it's challenging. We know that when we work together, we're stronger, we're more impactful in the world, and that's in our health and freedom movement that I'm speaking of. But now we have a nation that's so divisive, it's so divided over gender, over religion, over politics. And I heard you speak when you announced your candidacy in Boston, or maybe it was during an interview, and one of the interviewers said to you your own siblings don't agree with you or they're not supporting you. And you said something very profound. You said, in my family, we're allowed to debate, we're allowed to discuss, we're allowed to disagree, but we all love each other. And so my question to you is, with that sentiment, can you help bring the country together over all these divided areas? How would you do that?
RFK Jr.
You know what? Honestly, I think the reason people are all angry at each other is that they're being lied to. And I think if the government was telling the truth to them, that level of anger would disappear and that the other institutions that are supposed to be the trusted institutions stop lying, the media stop lying. It's like having parents who are dysfunctional and are doing bad things and then lying to their kids. All the kids are going to be fighting each other. The same is true for our country there, you know, they. The reason we have misinformation, this misinformation tsunami, is because the information sources that people used to rely on when I was young, you know, the Walter Cronkites, the news, you know, the news reporters who are actually devoted their lives to the search for empirical truths and existential truths, and that no longer is true. Journalists become propagandists for official narratives, and people know that they're being lied to, and so they look for other sources of information and they have to be punished for doing that because that departs. That's a heresy. And so they're silenced or they're de. Platformed or they're gaslighted and they're told that they're lying. And that makes people angry. And so I think most of the anger is rooted in people lying and censorship and all the reactions to the lies. And I think the principle anecdote for that is a government that is just rigorously truthful and that starts encouraging in various ways the media to start telling the truth to the public. I mean, the first thing I'm going to do when I get in there, day one, besides, you know, pardoning Julian Assange and a bunch of other things I promise to do is to put out an executive order, all federal agencies, that they cannot participate in either propagandizing the American public or censoring the American public. And that, you know, that will be step one. Then I'm going to do, you know, a lot of other strong stuff to make sure that, you know, do everything I can to make sure it never happens again. And then, you know, I listen. There's a lot of people and I'm going to disagree with, you know, I love Mikki Willis and he, and I don't see to eye to eye on climate, but, you know, he's my friend and he's not any less my friend because we disagree. And I, you know, he feels very comfortable confronting me with his strong beliefs about that. And I think that's a good thing. It's a healthy thing. There's people I don't, you know, I differ from a lot of you on abortion. I think I'm for medical freedom and bodily autonomy. And that means for the first three months of a child's life, I don't want the government interfering at all. I think it has to be the mother's choice. And people disagree with me about that, but I respect their positions. I come from a family that was different. My aunt, Eunice Shriver, felt completely different than me. She's my godmother, one of the closest family members I had, and we differed on that issue. But we loved each other. And I think we ought to be able to differ on things and still respect each other and love each other. And I respect people. I think every abortion is a tragedy. And I respect, you know, the people who say that we should not be doing it, you know, have any, you know, that we, it should be all illegal. I understand that position. I've seen pictures of, you know, second and third trimester abortions. And they're very disturbing. And I understand that. And I, you know, I'm not going to disrespect somebody for having those beliefs. I disagree with them, and I'm going to stand by my belief on that.
Maureen McDonnell
Thank you.
Charles Eisenstein
I just want to point out how extraordinary it is that what we've been hearing for somebody to take a strong position and not insinuate that the people on the other side are terrible people. Imagine how that will change our country. Refreshing in addition to telling the truth, because most of the polarization, we've been manipulated into it. You know, we're all decent people. Why should we hate each other? And so that's one thing. And the other thing is what Bobby has just exemplified a genuine respect for each other. And I imagine that, you know, despite the terrible condition of this country right now, after so many decades of these lies and of this corruption, that the time for a turnaround has come and that it is possible and that 2024 will be remembered as the year that we turned the corner. So, Bobby, thank you so much for making the time to join with us. I'm going to turn it over now to unless you want to say any final words.
RFK Jr.
I think I've talked enough, but thank you, Charles.
Charles Eisenstein
Yeah. All right. So, yeah, thank you so much. And I will turn over to. I don't know, is it Del or Mary.
Patrick Gentempo
You're muted, Del.
Del Bigtree
All right. I want to thank you all. I want to thank this incredible panel of people and of course, Robert Kennedy Jr. For this moment and this opportunity to speak to this incredible audience, many of whom we've all met out there, marching together, standing together, shoulder to shoulder in this incredible crusade to maintain body autonomy, which is where many of you come from. I want to take a quick moment just to reach out to my peers, my journalist friends out there and for all of you in the audience to know that we know that tomorrow there will be headlines that were sent in. There's reporters that have been sent in to watch this, to try and attack the positions that were laid out here. I used to work for cbs. I know what it's like to work for these industries that are mostly funded by the pharmaceutical industry. But also beyond that, there's a dogma that exists that we all kind of grow up in. And I want to say to you, reporters out there, what you're watching are people, everyone here, every one of these individuals here, what you'll never say is that they're lying. About what they believe. What we are all doing here is speaking our truth. And so when you try to write articles about people, the only thing that would be really negative about them was that they were lying to the people. They were lying about what they believed in. And what I see in Robert Kennedy, Jr. And all of these individuals, most of whom I've had on my show, most of whom I reached out to when I was working for CBS and the doctor's television show, including Dr. Mercola, who I would watch the work he was doing. And some of my biggest shows at CBS on the doctor's television show came from things that I learned through his incredible work. But what you are seeing are individuals that are driven by passion, by a truth. And the question I have for all of you reporters out there that are watching this right now is why aren't you asking the most important question? And you never do you want to go ahead and spread conversations about, oh, the experts refute what they're saying, but why are we saying what we're saying? Why is Robert Kennedy, Jr. Taking an illustrious environmental career where he is arguably one of the, you know, greatest figures in the environmental movement, which the Democratic Party stands behind and supports? Why would he take that. Why would he take this birthright into really this incredible Kennedy legacy and his family? Why would he put all of that at risk? Why aren't you asking that question? And what is your answer when you ask that question and when you write your articles? Do you think, does he sound crazy? Do you think he just lost his mind? Is he just wrong on this issue, but nothing else? Every single answer he has is coming from a deep knowledge base of having studied history, written books on it. It should start to bother you as a reporter, because that's why I'm here. As a journalist and reporter, I'm here and I think Mikki Willis and those of us that have. I am, you know, the Democratic Party. I'm returning to only now because of Robert Kennedy, Jr. Because of how he is speaking to my heart and to my sensibility and to answering questions about the things that I'm seeing in this world. We all know what it's like to work for some machine. And for all of you audience out there, I want you to know what it's like to be attacked by these reporters that are set upon us, that are set upon Robert Kennedy, Jr. And Pierre Kory and Dr. Mercola and Sherry Tenpenny and everyone else here. They're being paid to attack. And yet we're not afraid. We are sitting here Wide open. Robert Kennedy Jr. Has put himself right in front of this camera to speak his truth, knowing that what will come, will come. That is courage, that is humanity, and that is what integrity means on the greatest level is not shying away, not sticking to bumper stickers. And by the way, everything we're used to in politics, all of this bumper sticker politics that's taking place, these five word answers that we hear repeated over and over again and we see the teleprompters controlling what every politician is supposed to say, written by people, not themselves, but the people around them in great speech writers. That's all because of what we have done in media to these people. We've attacked everything. Take it out of context as soon as we can so that we can say, well look, they said this even though we know it's out of context. We as reporters and journalists have ruined the political system because we are not. We demand, we want to know what they think, we want to know what transparency is. But then we mince words, we grab sentences and we do everything we can to defy the nation, divide people, make them hate somebody, because that's what journalism has become. So for those of you watching, I am pleading to you right now, you journalists, that you're my brother, you're my sister, what world do you really want to live in? Do we want to live in a world where we can pull out a sentence and eviscerate somebody? Or do you want politicians who are honestly speaking and full throated long answers, their truth and their belief in what they're saying? Why don't you report on what they're saying and instead of saying the experts say, why don't you ask the experts to provide you with some evidence, Put it up on the screen, put up your science. Let's start seeing a scientific debate, not an expert debate. That's a cop out. As journalists you're not allowed to do that. That is not what journalism is. It's not saying, I know an expert that says, ask that expert for science and let's put it on the table. So that's my plea to all of the journalists that are watching. I believe in you, I trust you. We need you. This world is being destroyed because you, the fourth estate, are not doing your job. And now for all of this incredible audience that's watching, what I want to say to you, because I have marched with you, I've stood with Robert Kennedy Jr. And many of these people that are here today, we have stood, just wanted to simply maintain control over our bodies. And the choices we make for our children. Some of us are Republicans, some of us are Democrats. Most of us are disenfranchised from the entire political system. But we finally have someone that has stood with us, stood shoulder to shoulder with us, speaks his truth, clearly, is not afraid to disagree with us, is telling us everything that he believes. And you see him processing as he works out ideas in front of us in conversations with brilliant people. And right now, we are in a situation where all the funding in the world is pouring into every single person that's going to make the bumper sticker politics continue on, and the news media will drive out their favorite people. The funding bodies will push behind all that. All the billionaires know how they play this horse race and what horses they'll bet on. But we actually have someone that is speaking for the people, that is speaking the truth. And right now, it is so important for you. This is why we're here. This movement that has marched together, stood for something. I see there's a question. Well, I'm a Republican. Why would he run as a Democrat? What difference does it make? What difference does it make? Right now, what we need to invest in is the conversation for the soul of America right now. Forget about who even wins this, what story, what language, what person do you want to be investing in, to be in front of the cameras, to be speaking our truths? Right now, your investment decides the future of this nation. Right now. Our children and the world they're going to be living in is going to be decided by us. So I want to say there's been a lot of people that have said all the reasons that you should be donating right now. I want to say this. I, like everyone here, have made my life so incredibly busy to do everything I can to help Robert Kennedy Jr. I have a nonprofit, and many of us have nonprofits that can't go near this. You won't hear me celebrating or pushing this because I can't in my nonprofit. But here is Del Bigtree right now. I am saying to you that I'm doing everything that I can to forward this voice for humanity, everything I can, every penny I have that I can spare right now, every single second, every moment. And that's true for everyone that is in this zoom call. And there's millions of you out there right now. We need your help. If we don't stand behind Robert Kennedy Jr. Right now, then everything we marched for and everything we said we were fighting for, it's a lie. What other opportunity do we have? I believe that we are at a precipice. We see all the AI, we see all of the things they're attacking, the central reserve banking systems. We watched what Covid and this pandemic, what they would take away from us, how quickly they would take away our First Amendment rights. And we have someone that spoke out all the way through that. And he's now running for president. And he's not a long shot. He didn't come in. He's not scrambling to try and get 2 percentage points like most people that enter this. 20 points just today, Rasmussen saying 35% of Democrats now believe that Robert Kennedy Jr. Will be the nominee as the Democrat representing the United States of America. And he's only, what, two or three months into this. But here's the thing. While he's been traveling all over, while he's been posting videos and tiktoking and going to the border and going to San Francisco and going to Cleveland today to visit the urban communities to understand what's happening. What he hasn't been doing is raising money. What he hasn't been doing is hiring Hollywood executives to make him commercials. What he hasn't been doing is invested in trying to see how to get money. What he's counting on is that we will understand this is our moment. And I need you to understand that on July 1, the press that are all here watching this would love to attack and say, look, he's not raising that much money. But when you look at how he spent that money, I think he has something to brag about. He'll certainly be able to say, with what I had, I made it to 20 points for maybe 35% of this party already moving in my direction, believing I'm the winner. Something spectacular is happening here. And if every one of you out there, of those of you that can give that maximum donation of 3,300, you should do it. But if everyone watching right now, those of you that are hard up, why don't you skip that dinner this Friday? Why don't you skip the dinner out with a wife and say, what does it matter to me to actually invest in the future of this nation, in the future of this world and the future for my children? If that's a $100 dinner or a $200 dinner, please donate that tonight. Do you realize that that can change our entire trajectory right now? What could happen for this campaign, what they could invest in, how much more he could travel, how many more videos he could put out and how many more events like this he can Have. You're deciding that tonight and whether you're a Republican or a Democrat. Let me say this to all the Republicans. Wouldn't you love to have a choice that's actually difficult for you to make? Why don't you hop over right now? Let's get Bobby. And we know what's going to happen on the Republican side. It's already written, and I'm not even going to judge you on that. But why don't we get Robert Kennedy, Jr. As the voice for the Democratic Party, and then for the first time in history, maybe some of you will actually be conflicted because you love a couple of candidates versus voting for the lesser of evils. We have a voice. And I will say this. I've known Robert Kennedy, Jr. For many years now. There is something beautiful happening here. He's. He is being guided by something so spectacular. And all of us that have been around him feel it. This is a moment. And I've said this is my last point because I know I'm. I can speak for a long time. It's one of my drawbacks. I want to say this, that many of us have said and I've said on all the work that I do and on stages. There's no one man that can change this world. We've got to stop putting all of our power into a president and all of these things. And I've really grappled with this as I gravitated closer and closer to wanting to help Robert Kennedy, Jr. But I realized this. None of the media, the big power media that's owned by pharma, they're not going to make this easy. They're not going to Support Robert Kennedy Jr. All the giant corporate investors that he's going to be going after saying, you know what? You're going to have to be responsible for the harm that you do. They're not going to invest in him. Instead, the only chance he has is that the people will rise up, that we'll take our $5, our $10, our $100, whatever we could. And we supported Robert Kennedy, Jr. And when he steps in the presidency in that moment, that great awakening, we will know it happened. Because the only way it happens is because all of the people stood up to support it. When the corporations, we overcame the corporations, we overcame the corporate powers, we overcame the darkness because we all did what we could. We all put as much as we could into it. And we became humanity again. We became dreamers again. We became believers again. And our children watched us make a difference in this world. That is what is happening here. Be a part of it. Don't sit back and watch it. Watch it. Don't die wondering. Get in. Give what you can. Now. If you can volunteer, volunteer now. This is truly a people's movement, and it doesn't matter what the media says about it. They will not be able to stop us. I want to thank everybody that was a part of this incredible panel tonight. I especially want to thank my brother, Robert Kennedy Jr. For putting it on the line. Your reason and your wisdom is so profound and beautiful. We are so blessed that you've taken on this mission. And to all the people out there, I want to thank you for what you're about to do to help us all make this happen. Have a beautiful night, and I can't wait till we get to stand together again. Thank you.
RFK Jr.
Thanks. No.
Patrick Gentempo
Charles, I don't know if you're coming on, but I guess that will end the broadcast.
Del Bigtree
Anyway.
Patrick Gentempo
Thank you also, everybody. For you who tuned in, thank you very much for being here. Very special event, very important ideas, and this is a movement, and it's a movement because you are here. So thank you, and thank you again for all the panelists and Bobby, of course, thank you for taking the time to be with us all.
Charles Eisenstein
Yep. Thank you and good night, everybody.